Chip off the old politics

[kigs]

A rave in Utah last night was shut down by the military.
The disregaurd for civil rights was obscene. Tear gas was tossed at the crowd, dogs were released, and the cavalcade of ravers which were trying to peacefully exit the area were escorted out at gun point.

The worst part was this was a 100% LEGAL gathering. Permits, licenses, and the whole dirty mess of red tape.

A personal account can be seen here.

This is disgraceful. I havn't been so dissapointed in the government in a long while.

Can some of the folks out in Utah please give me a call or get ahold of me? I'm wondering if you guys have heard anything about this.
~Kigs

Comments

[pac.livejournal.com]

ravers are bringing down american from the inside out, slowly destroying out way of life! their glow sticks are symbols of communism! and their giant pants are a threat on national security! NEON GREEN IS THE COLOR OF OPPRESSION!

i mean, who knows... osama bin ladin could be a raver... and in utah.

[basteki.livejournal.com]

Off topic, but remember Elizibeth Smart? One of the photos that was taken of her before she was "found" was actually at a rave that a few of my friends were at.. haha XD

[neogeen.livejournal.com]

I'M WALKING OPPRESSION.

I SHALL CRUSH YOU ALL.

[basteki.livejournal.com]

I don't even know what's going on. I havn't personally heard anything about it... but that's probably because I'm a little out of the loop.

But anyway, there's a ton of stuff on here:
http://utrave.org

http://www.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20020

Ugh this makes me so fucking sick.

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

*Scours the net for more information*

Thanks for the link, Tek. I'm just glad you guys are ok.

[xianjaguar.livejournal.com]

I saw that in the paper here!

It is pretty sad. Utah is rather strict state on certain things. I don't how they managed to get actual FEDERAL military in on it, because it isn't up to the Federal Gov. This has to do soley with UTAH law....and more specifically, Salt Lake City law.

Another interesting fact: Salt Lake City is VERY VERY liberal! In a "red" state, it's a very Blue City. The mayor *hates* Bush with a passion, and yet, the mayor allowed this to happen, so hey...no bagging on the GOP this time. This was solely in the hands of the Dems this time.

(and yes, since I live here, I see all the politics in the papers. ;)

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

Notice how I displayed my disapproval of the government in general, not just the GOP. :)

Not Salt Lake

[baddog.livejournal.com]

The area it was held and busted in on was actually under utah county supervision, not salt lake city. Utah county is home to Provo (home of BYU), a city with the highest ratio of religious to non religious people in the country. So really, it had to do more with happy valley and Spanish Fork law than anything.

[chlorophyta.livejournal.com]

Oppression of modern hippies. =P

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

*Puts on his Lion King trippie bandana*

[kilojara.livejournal.com]

Now that just makes me sick...

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

This sort of thing disgusts me. :(

[gab.livejournal.com]

Whatever you do, plz don't hate the Mormons over this. *SOB* I don't want to be hated.

... but I cannot believe that people were treated that way. At a LEGAL rave. WTF. That makes NO SENSE AT ALL. e_e;

So far, I haven't heard anything about it, and I live in Utah. Wonder what the news will be like tonight...

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

Don't worry about me hating mormons, Gab. I've never been one to blame an entire group based on a generalised dislike for the situation. :)

[theginko.livejournal.com]

Now... I must say, that I am disappointed in this repost, and exhaggeration in what is already an overblown rumor...
Firstly, let's look at the facts.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2961967?rss

http://www.harktheherald.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=62703

Namely.
A.)Where's the idea that there were military there come from? Even the MySpace bulletin that hit me didn't mention anything about that.
B.)Say what you will about the media, lawyers are worse which means they're not gonna straight out lie due to fear of a libel suit... Which means this was an illegal, unbonded gathering.
C.)Funny that only one excessive force complaint has been filed, and the idea that there was tear gas, while possible, is highly unlikly because Police are about the most anal inventory whores and there's pretty much no way they'd be able to hide that kinda shit.

Now, I'm not saying I have all the facts, I'm saying that it is irresponsible to spread crap like this without first checking for at least some unbiased, non-par... Well, I won't say "non-partisan" but at least Outside sources.

I've gotta imagine Cops + Ravers in Utah = Friction^2 but, likening these Police to Jack Booted Nazis... I dunno.

I dunno what the truth of the situation is any further than the extent of my own investigation, and I hope everyone else accepts same said fact.

~B

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

First, thank you for being level headed and posting a reasonable complaint to my post. I'm afraid I was a bit heated when I made the initial message and did not decide to post a non-bias report.

Then again, this is an LJ post, not a full media report. As such, expect it to have a level of my personal opinion.

That being said, the military presence can be seen from the video which is circulating around the net. Whether it is the army, guard, or simply a couple folks im Camo cannot be determined by it, but it certainly involves a level of military presence.

As for the nature of the permit, the county sheriff stated that it was an unpermited site, where as the promoter is stating that it had all of the proper permits. Until I locate a proper paper trail or the promoter releases a public press release, I'm afraid that fact has fallen into the realm of speculation.

I agree that the tear gas may have fallen privy to the forces of the rumor mill. Alas, I have read two personal accounts stating that tear gas was used. One of which is linked above. Take them with a grain of salt.

The purpose of this post is not to provide an in-depth report; I was not there personally. The purpose of this post is to make people aware of what occured in Utah this weekend.

[battie.livejournal.com]

indeed, it makes me so so so sick

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

Who sent you the story in the first place?

[porsupah.livejournal.com]

BTW, video of part of the shutdown is available here (http://www.unnet.net.nyud.net:8090/crap/facism.mov). (15.8MB; the original site's highly overloaded, by the looks of things, but the Coral cache has a copy)

Fairly remarkable, but I'm sure we'll see the spin soon enough - all absolutely essential as part of the War on Drugs, etc.

(Also of interest is the consideration that the permit for a 250+ assembly, cited in the Sheriff's statement, might not have been applicable, as that requires the event to last, or be expected to last, more than 12 hours)

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

Thank you for the video link. :)

[moltenglowstick.livejournal.com]

Wow.
Decided before sharing my opinion I'd go look at the pictures and video and wow. I dont see any tear gas or dogs, but I see them holding weapons, and pushing people to the ground with unecessary force.
Hell, half of what I see in the videos that happened was completely not necessary at all.
Wow. :/
~RedFeather

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

It's crazy!

[mythos-amante.livejournal.com]

And I'm paranoid enough to think that what this was......


Was just practice. Crap. How the heck do we fight this?

[skavenb.livejournal.com]

You can't. The U.S. Patriot act is worded carefuly to make any mass gathering illeagal without a permit and said permit can be recinded at any time for any reason.

[sci.livejournal.com]

I've googled and followed links. Watched the footage from the helicopter and the 16Mb mov.
I've forwarded the many links I found to NewsReal. I'd say it's quite likely they'll run it. Probably be on-air Thursday (as shows are recorded the night before).
The show's currently mirrored on about 7 different web-radio stations, and has a lot of listeners. This'll get spread pretty far.

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

Tell me if it plays. I'll tune in.

[garrwolfdog.livejournal.com]

"Tear gas was tossed at the crowd, dogs were released,..."
sounds like a damn good rave!! :P

but seriously, WTF!?!? O_O

Kigs, you got skype? if not, get it. and once you've got it, you fancy talking about this on my show?

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

Give me a date and time. I'd love the opportunity.

[iguanaartgirl.livejournal.com]

omg glo stik terrorists wtf bbq!!!1

...whether the rave papers were "legal" or not, the force used to deal with the problem seems WAY excessive. It's not like a bunch of teenage kids on E are gonna be THAT much of a problem to deal with, do you honestly need a military presence? Eesh...

[kigeni.livejournal.com]

Don't underestimate glowstick terrorists; they are a threat to NATIONAL SECURITY> and our FREEDOM. ZOMFG!

[theregaltigress.livejournal.com]

I was shown this last night, Kigs: is this from the event? http://www.trendpimp.com/displayimage.php?album=4&pos=12

-Kymba